1-Star Superstar

Vezna31 · 12-04-2008, 02:54 PM

This is why this game is so great. I drafted Brendon Bell in the 8th Round, 96th overall and this guy has been nothing but consistently great is whole career. Aside from his 2 part-time years in 1941 & 42, you can't ask for anything more from this guy. Those 2 years, I was stacked with OF's that were hitting the lights out, so he platooned. Bell has been my leadoff hitter the last few years taking over because of an injury to 2 other players whose ratings never recovered and neither did the BA's. Best of all, his contract has him making $710k for the next 3 years, talk about a bargain!

Jaxxvain · 12-04-2008, 03:03 PM

shhhh!!!

if you keep bringing up guys like this version 10 will have players hold out and demand contract renegotiation!

SandMan · 12-04-2008, 03:32 PM

This is kind of a bug in the way players are created. These players have high contact but low ratings everywhere else. This guy doesn't walk and strikesout way too much(20% of the time is high). Doesn't hit for much power. BUT - I try to find these guys to bat 2nd or 8th, 9th depending on my team....

sayheykid · 12-04-2008, 04:04 PM

hmmmmmmm........no military service during WW2?

Vezna31 · 12-04-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sayheykid

hmmmmmmm........no military service during WW2?

Fictional league. No war.

Cole · 12-04-2008, 04:11 PM

My gracious those are some ugly jerseys!

What are his ratings?

I had a player like that in my 45-year-old fictional league.

He still is the all-time leader in hits, and constantly overachieved (had a 7 in contact but was constantly amongst the top of the league in hits) ... He had no power whatsoever and struck out a bunch ..

Again I might agree with the first reply, I'm trying to think of a really good contact hitter who gets on base a lot but also strikes out a lot in history and .. I can't think of any, or any justification of why this player would be like this.. It's not like he's swinging for the fences with that lack of power!

toxicavenger74 · 12-04-2008, 04:13 PM

Without looking at his ratings I am almost certain that this is the high contact/low everything else ratings bug.

Vezna31 · 12-04-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ripwalk

My gracious those are some ugly jerseys!

What are his ratings?

LOL...the jersey colors match the logo, which is a beachball. I'll have to turn on te ratings to see what they are.

Vezna31 · 12-04-2008, 04:22 PM

His ratings:

Curtis · 12-04-2008, 04:32 PM

I have a Jesus Negrete in my system in the universe I started last night (2008 ML), but he's a middle reliever.

kingcharlesxii · 12-04-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vezna31

His ratings:

That's about what I expected. I've seen a lot of those types of players in OOTP9 for some reason - high contact but terrible at everything else.

Leatherfut · 12-04-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by toxicavenger74

Without looking at his ratings I am almost certain that this is the high contact/low everything else ratings bug.

Why do you think this is a bug? Don't you think there are players in RL like this?

happy gaming,
Frank

Afino · 12-04-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Leatherfut

Why do you think this is a bug? Don't you think there are players in RL like this?

happy gaming,
Frank

Read through this for why this is a bug.

conception · 12-04-2008, 10:51 PM

What's interesting about this guy is that you've been getting production out of him, but I would rarely if ever have a guy like that on my team. I don't ever rely on guys who lack essential walk ability, as even when a guy is struggling to get hits, if he can get walks he can still provide a great deal of value to my team.

Vezna31 · 12-05-2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by conception

What's interesting about this guy is that you've been getting production out of him, but I would rarely if ever have a guy like that on my team. I don't ever rely on guys who lack essential walk ability, as even when a guy is struggling to get hits, if he can get walks he can still provide a great deal of value to my team.

For all of his seasons, I've had superstar teams around him. That could be the reason his production is high. In this current season, my team has fallen badly, so we'll see how it affects his production at the end of the season.

In looking at his stats, he obviously isn't a great OBP man for a leadoff guy. He kinda fell into leadoff from injuries and hit with such a high average with above average speed that I decided to keep him there. The guy is a singles machine.

toxicavenger74 · 12-05-2008, 08:41 AM

So, here is my experience with these types of players. I had a 5 year fictional league and I decided to add feeder leagues. The next year after the draft my records were tainted with an 18 yr old who led the league in hits and had a .399 avg and another who had the all time hitting streak at 43 games.

This tipped me off so I went through and found about 15 of these players. Those that affected my records book I deleted, the others I just lowered their contact ratings significantly. Those that I deleted eventually did have their records go away except in the "Accomplishments" section where they still appear.

This seriously could ruin a league if not caught and I deleted the feeder leagues and no longer will use them. The league is now in year 10 and I have not seen this issue except with feeder league players.

At 22, this guy Brendon Bell had a .347 avg and 232 hits. That would drive me crazy, I could pass it off as the rare once in a lifetime player but my suspicion is that your league will have more of these guys.

cbbl · 12-05-2008, 10:19 AM

Apparently there was a BZ created in April of this year for this issue, but I can find it or any information on its disposal. Is it still an open ticket? It appears to still be an open issue!

toxicavenger74 · 12-05-2008, 10:22 AM

It is still an issue. I asked when V 9 came out if the issue was resolved and never got an answer. Then from my feeder league fiasco described above I know that it was never resolved.

ctorg · 12-05-2008, 10:33 AM

It seems that the BABIP of these guys is just too high on a consistent basis. IRL, if you strike out 100+ times a year and have no power, you aren't going to consistently hit well above .300. No one is that lucky or that skilled at placing the ball over the infielders' heads.

toxicavenger74 · 12-05-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

It seems that the BABIP of these guys is just too high on a consistent basis. IRL, if you strike out 100+ times a year and have no power, you aren't going to consistently hit well above .300. No one is that lucky or that skilled at placing the ball over the infielders' heads.

If there were RL examples then I would believe it. While the issue you mentioned is the core of the issue what makes it unacceptable and impossible to rationalize is that the players break into the majors with this ability at such a young age. If there was build up and a peak at a reasonable age then while it would still be problematic at least it would not kill of the realism of a league by having an 18-22 year old set an unbreakable record of hits, singles and average (unless it is broken by another similar buggy player).

12-04-2008, 02:54 PM	#1
Vezna31 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wherever My VPN says Posts: 1,978	1-Star Superstar This is why this game is so great. I drafted Brendon Bell in the 8th Round, 96th overall and this guy has been nothing but consistently great is whole career. Aside from his 2 part-time years in 1941 & 42, you can't ask for anything more from this guy. Those 2 years, I was stacked with OF's that were hitting the lights out, so he platooned. Bell has been my leadoff hitter the last few years taking over because of an injury to 2 other players whose ratings never recovered and neither did the BA's. Best of all, his contract has him making $710k for the next 3 years, talk about a bargain! Attached Images __________________ Owner/Operator - Vezna Financial Services - Accounting and taxes.

12-04-2008, 03:32 PM	#3
SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,946	This is kind of a bug in the way players are created. These players have high contact but low ratings everywhere else. This guy doesn't walk and strikesout way too much(20% of the time is high). Doesn't hit for much power. BUT - I try to find these guys to bat 2nd or 8th, 9th depending on my team.... Last edited by SandMan; 12-04-2008 at 03:34 PM.

12-04-2008, 04:22 PM	#9
Vezna31 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wherever My VPN says Posts: 1,978	His ratings: Attached Images __________________ Owner/Operator - Vezna Financial Services - Accounting and taxes.

12-05-2008, 08:41 AM	#16
toxicavenger74 All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 553	So, here is my experience with these types of players. I had a 5 year fictional league and I decided to add feeder leagues. The next year after the draft my records were tainted with an 18 yr old who led the league in hits and had a .399 avg and another who had the all time hitting streak at 43 games. This tipped me off so I went through and found about 15 of these players. Those that affected my records book I deleted, the others I just lowered their contact ratings significantly. Those that I deleted eventually did have their records go away except in the "Accomplishments" section where they still appear. This seriously could ruin a league if not caught and I deleted the feeder leagues and no longer will use them. The league is now in year 10 and I have not seen this issue except with feeder league players. At 22, this guy Brendon Bell had a .347 avg and 232 hits. That would drive me crazy, I could pass it off as the rare once in a lifetime player but my suspicion is that your league will have more of these guys. Last edited by toxicavenger74; 12-05-2008 at 08:45 AM.

12-05-2008, 10:33 AM	#19
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	It seems that the BABIP of these guys is just too high on a consistent basis. IRL, if you strike out 100+ times a year and have no power, you aren't going to consistently hit well above .300. No one is that lucky or that skilled at placing the ball over the infielders' heads. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

12-04-2008, 03:03 PM	#2
Jaxxvain All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 531	shhhh!!! if you keep bringing up guys like this version 10 will have players hold out and demand contract renegotiation!

12-04-2008, 04:04 PM	#4
sayheykid Minors (Single A) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vancouver Posts: 79	hmmmmmmm........no military service during WW2?

12-04-2008, 04:11 PM	#6
Cole Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Fredericton, New Brunswick Posts: 2,685	My gracious those are some ugly jerseys! What are his ratings? I had a player like that in my 45-year-old fictional league. He still is the all-time leader in hits, and constantly overachieved (had a 7 in contact but was constantly amongst the top of the league in hits) ... He had no power whatsoever and struck out a bunch .. Again I might agree with the first reply, I'm trying to think of a really good contact hitter who gets on base a lot but also strikes out a lot in history and .. I can't think of any, or any justification of why this player would be like this.. It's not like he's swinging for the fences with that lack of power!

12-04-2008, 04:13 PM	#7
toxicavenger74 All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 553	Without looking at his ratings I am almost certain that this is the high contact/low everything else ratings bug.

12-04-2008, 04:32 PM	#10
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	I have a Jesus Negrete in my system in the universe I started last night (2008 ML), but he's a middle reliever.

12-04-2008, 10:51 PM	#14
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,150	What's interesting about this guy is that you've been getting production out of him, but I would rarely if ever have a guy like that on my team. I don't ever rely on guys who lack essential walk ability, as even when a guy is struggling to get hits, if he can get walks he can still provide a great deal of value to my team.

12-05-2008, 10:19 AM	#17
cbbl All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,179	Apparently there was a BZ created in April of this year for this issue, but I can find it or any information on its disposal. Is it still an open ticket? It appears to still be an open issue!

12-05-2008, 10:22 AM	#18
toxicavenger74 All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 553	It is still an issue. I asked when V 9 came out if the issue was resolved and never got an answer. Then from my feeder league fiasco described above I know that it was never resolved.